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Annquestion: to 4-2, you say that "bad" does not exist?
Midori-san
no without any premises
"bad thing" is always bad "for someone", for "doing smt", and so on
Ann
aha
and, to 5. 人はたくさんの要素からできている。
ゆえに「かれが好きだ」という言葉は非常に曖昧である。
同様に「かれが嫌いだ」という言葉も非常に曖昧である。
「かれのこの部分Aが嫌いだ」という言葉と「かれのこの部分Bが好きだ」という言葉は矛盾しないし、「かれのこの部分Aが嫌いだ」と「かれが嫌いだ」は関係がない。
can you say more about this?
Midori-san
it's hard to mention it deeper myself. make a question: what you don't understand.
Ann
if "i like"/ "i hate" are vague answers, what is not vague?
Midori-san
aa, it's good question, i think you understood a lot.
you mean "if you say 'i like X' is vague, 'i like his A part' is also vague, isn't it?" no?
Ann
yea
Midori-san
great pointing out.
Ann
だろ？
Midori-san
:))))))
so boyish:)
Ann
thanks:))))
Midori-san
well, your question is "what is not vague?"
what isn't vague cannot be observed by us
we can't observe anything correctly.
Ann
so, i don't have to say "clear" answers?
Midori-san
i don't know if you "don't have to". it depends you and situation in where you are.
you cannot say anything clearly but reasonably.
but there's a way to say smt correctly somehow. you know?
Ann
yes, say what people would like to hear
Midori-san
hahaha! ironic answer, eh?
Ann
"say what people would like to hear" mom's quote
i have no friends because i'm too honest so i think she's right
Midori-san
yes. she's right in this case cuz this quote has a premise: to make friends
this is the answer i prepared. to make premise.
i wrote about it in 11.
Ann
and to 10, i don't think we are so free
it depends what you understand through "free"
Midori-san
aa.. i thought in english there are liberty, freedom... they have different meaning, i dont know
Ann
i think "free" means "no rules/laws" so we are not free and not only that and our manifestation are not "free"
Midori-san
ours aren't "free"?
Ann
kind of...yes
i mean, some people would punish you and your opinion
Midori-san
aa, you mean our manifestations aren't allowed very well eh?
Ann
and you know that!
Midori-san
huh!
it's very...
no. ok
Midori-san
you mean, when people permit your opinion you can say "i'm free" aha!?
Ann
look, example: i get shit marks/grades to romanian literature because teacher does not allow my opinions
i think it's about freedom of expressing
Midori-san
haa..
Ann
but it doesn't mean that my opinions are not correct
am i talking shits to you?:))
Midori-san
ah... why this example is related with "free"?
Ann
because "free" may means to be yourself
Midori-san
i think this is right. can i ask you a question? if your teacher allows your opinion and gives good marks, you can say "i'm free"?
Ann
just a part of me, a little part yes, is free
Midori-san
ok. if "free" is "all opinions are allowed" for you, i dont say anything anymore. because problem is about word meaning each of us now. if it is so, the conclusion is: according to my "free", we're free from the beginning. and according to your "free", we're not free.
this "according to" is the most important part. i wrote about it in 11 and i agree your theory on your premise.
and what i think stupid is to say "no! your 'free' is wrong" now.
because this is word understanding problem; i wrote about it in 9 and 9-1.
Ann
"John Lennon is a woman" :)))
Midori-san
exactly.
Ann
i understand 11 too
Midori-san
well i never think your thought about "free" is ok, but ah, i dont complain.
Ann
you deny something.
Midori-san
i dont want to interfere someone. so i dont want to be. this is one of my rules.
Ann
but if my theory isn't correct at all?
Midori-san
if you ask me, i tell you.
of course as long as yours doesn't damages me.
Ann
i understood
so, what i have to say is:
i would like my opinions allowed by you, if you think they sounds logic or correct, but if they're not, tell me. because i want all my philosophy correct. i want to allow your opinions and add them to mine
Midori-san
excellent. quite right saying. i think you have a promising future.
Ann
i don't look very forward to it, i'm not good at school
Midori-san
SCHOOL?
dont say stupid thing anymore
well, you mean.. "あるいは自由は行動をフィジカルでない部分で縛られていないことである。" this sentence is wrong for you, eh?
for me, freedom is: we can do everything as much as we can
Ann
i said i'm not good at school cuz i don't have big marks maybe because i'm not teacher's favorite or i'm really not good
aaa, pai da, and i agree with that
Midori-san
haaa!? earlier you said your opinion about "free" is different from mine, eh?
Ann
ha? "we can do everything as much as we can" also hug my opinion
Midori-san
no
your "free" do need other's accepts. mine doesn't.
Ann
no?
Midori-san
my "free" means one fact: we can do
your example had 2 parts
1. to say opinion 2. not to be allowed by teacher
Ann
oh god, that was an example
Midori-san
2nd one isnt related with my "free"
and for your "free", 2nd one is the important
Ann
i have a lot other examples to define "free"
Midori-san
hey
"that example is right on your FREE, but isn't right on my FREE" this is the evidence that "my FREE doesn't hug yours" ok?
Ann
ho, chill...
Midori-san
to say concretely, if teacher doesn't allow opinion your FREE doesn't work. but even if teacher doesn't allow opinion my FREE works.
Ann
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Midori-san
this is what is most important.
Ann
so your FREE is more expanded than mine
Midori-san
more fundamental.
Ann
now i understand all....
i think you right... i'm so misto, i understood
Midori-san
good.
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こいつの最初の定義付けには呆れ果ててしまったが、それを口に出すことは極力がんばって控えた。こういうとこで我慢強くハナシをすることこそが俺がガキの時分つねに大人に求めていることだったからなあ。最終的に、excellentとまで言わせられてしまった返しもしてきたわけだしこれからも学ばせて頂こう。
